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Public Comments on the UNCG Master Plan and Peabody Park

March–June 2001, Part A

Below is the first section of public comments on the UNCG Master Plan posted to the Perkins & Will bulletin board from March–June 2001. The second section is available on page 2001B. An earlier comment period ran from April–July 2000; those comments are available on page 2000A and page 2000B. Because the bulletin board software was somewhat awkward to use, a few people duplicated their posts inadvertently; these duplications have been retained without editing to protect the integrity of the record.



Adjacent Campus Spaces and Places

More general problems Posted by: Faculty 6/13/2001
The message in this category from 5/18 deserves a response. The reason most of the messages posted here have been about Peabody Park is that this board was created specifically to address the physical master plan for the campus proposed by the architects. That plan includes the destruction of more of Peabody Park. It is certainly true that there are many serious problems within the university, and some of them have been mentioned here; but those were not the main purpose of this board, which was created specifically to talk about the campus physical plan. The issue of Peabody Park, though, is a perfect sympton of all the other serious problems in the institution, and they all are manifest in this one case. At the root of many of the university's problems is the vulgarity of the board of trustees and the financial obscenity of division I athletics - that has driven the campus into the ground economically, such that anything and everything must be done to deal with the enormous debt the university has accumulated. Likewise, the culture of public lying that pervades the division of business affairs is something that has no place in a university. Public lying is virtually an official policy, and until all the senior officials in that department are replaced it won't be possible to make any improvements, or even know exactly what the situation is. The chancellor surrounds herself with sycophants, repeats everything they tell her, sets up fraudulent committees to justify destructive actions, and then wonders why she isn't respected. UNCG has the potential to be a first rate university. It is very sad to see it driven into the ground, and to think how much will be lost forever (more of Peabody Park, Chancellor's House, Forney House, etc., etc.) before it can be turned around again.
This page and UNCG Posted by: Resident Student 6/11/2001
Does anyone wonder why you cannot hear things from the administration that you here from any ordinary student? Do you wonder why things don't seem to change? Why the website never has the information you are looking for. You don't know what happened to your campus mailbox, how to get in-state tuition or what ever happened to your registration. Your education? I've been going to UNCG for four years now and all I have ever done is complain about the school policies and all the red tape surrounding them. I've realized now that I don't want to graduate from an embarrassment. I want to tell people that I graduated with the most fulfilling education you can find. I want to tell people that I graduated from the best school you can find! Just because I didn't get into Duke or Yale doesn't mean I have to complain. We need to make a difference. We need to be able to tell people that we are the U N C G F#%@ing Spartans! How are we going to do this you ask? How could anyone accomplish such a goal? Through information and communication. We need to find out how to get the parking patrol off our backs, get the buildings built quicker and taller, how to keep bulldozers out of Peabody park and a number of others proficiencies. If we can do this and get the administration to let the answers get put on the home page, on the wall and on the table, then I believe we will be able to focus on what we are here for in the first place. We need to stop fussing and start acting. How can we accomplish this without any sort of organization? I suggest that you tell everyone of this web page. Have them read it and put in their two cents. It's a shame that we have to resort to a building company's site to address our grievances. Read on, the issues are very concerning.
This is amazing.... Posted by: Resident Student 5/18/2001
I was a resident student at UNCG for 5 years. I am now out in the working world and I am amazed at the reaction I get when I tell people from where I graduated. I can tell you it is not good at all. UNCG has so many problems, from too many commuter students, to poor levels of undergraduate admissions. Our retention rate after freshman year is horrid, and our traditional graduation rate puts us at the very bottom of the curve when it comes to national universities. Yet all of the ideas on this board are centered around a little tract of land on the northeastern parts of campus. A tract of land, that while pretty, will do nothing to make UNCG a more attractive place to prepare students to compete for jobs in today's economy. We graduate a student body that either can't or won't give back to the university. We underfund most of our programs, and the average student doesn't leave the university with the same feelings about it as students from Chapel Hill, Wake and other area institutions. The focus of these comments should be how to make UNCG a better place, and it's graduates better citizens, not whether or not to save some trees. I appreciate your views, and I see the need to save Peabody Park. I am, however, surprised at the lack of suggestions to improve campus life and other more important issues. If the park is all anybody on campus cares about, then there is no hope for UNCG in the future.
destruction of Peabody Park Posted by: Resident Student 4/23/01
I think this idea is insane. Yes, we are a growing university community that needs space to expand, but it is unthinkable to tear apart the most lovely parts of campus in order to accomplish that expansion. The park is not only a haven for students that need a break from the tiny dorm rooms and stress of academic life, but also a valuable teaching facility for our biology program. Destroying the park will destroy the University. It holds many of UNCG's memories and beautiful history. If we needed a new dorm and parking deck, they would have been much more beneficial to the University than the atrocity of a baseball stadium we recently acquired. Yes, it is a nice facility, but no one uses it except the baseball players and their parents. I went to several games, only to realize that I was sometimes the solitary student supporter for our team. However, I know that some games receive a little more attention. So let's say that 50 people go to each game. 50 people times 2 games a week is 100 people taking up space. Now consider a parking deck and dorm. If 400 students live in the dorm and there are 600 passes sold to the parking deck, that is 1000 people...using it every day. That is space for 7000 people per week. Compare that to 100 a week with the baseball stadium, and it seems that there was a slight mistake in the designer's plans. Did we really need the baseball stadium? I think not. It does not benefit enough students to make it efficient in terms of funds or use of campus space. However, uprooting a gorgeous outdoor arena that benefits academics - the thing for which students come to college - is as simple as signing the contract for the bulldozer. In short, if the University motto is Students First, it seems that priorities are severely out of place.
Ho ho, a new strategy! Posted by: Faculty 4/18/01
Ho ho, we now have a new strategy, but one that is very old for anyone who has dealt with UNCG business managers before. Clearly in response to all the criticism about destroying more of Peabody Park the IdeaXchange page now begins with an announcement that says "these potential building sites may not be utilized at all even under the most extreme growth projections." I have heard *precisely* and *exactly* the same things smarmily declared by campus business managers, and then the next thing you hear is, "well, construction begins next month." Alternatively, it will be said in a few years of this "vague suggestion for the possible future": "well, you see that's been in our master plan for years now, and there's no way it can be changed." This whole strategy of "don't you worry your pretty little head, because this is just a proposal" is a deliberate, calculated lie designed to divert attention. I know because I have been fooled by it before; it's not going to work a second time. Shame on Perkins & Will for participating in this phony game.
Peabody Park and Adj campus area Posted by: Campus Neighbor 4/15/01
I had the opportunity to view your beautiful campus during the University Marshal Induction a few weeks ago. The natural areas were so well landscaped, plus added significantly to the surrounding architecture. Students were studying or listening to music,some just out in the gardens enjoying the flowers. After attending many functions at NC State with my other son, you have miles of red brick beaten by a mile, hang on to what makes your campus unique.
Preserve Peabody Park Posted by: Faculty 4/11/01
As an instructor of earth and environmental science at UNCG, I am saddened and dismayed by UNCG''s latest plans to develop yet more of one of the few remaining natural areas on campus. Peabody Park is a tremendous teaching and research resource for our students. Developing more of the park, will directly harm our students; not to mention the natural environment of GSO.
Honor code? Posted by: Resident Student 4/5/01
I just learned today that the administration is trying to get rid of part of Peabody Park by saying it isn't part of the park. This is such an obvious lie I don't know how they can say things like this. As students, we are required to sign an honor code when we take exams that says we have not cheated. But the administration lies to us all the time. Where is the honor code for them? Why should we have to follow and honor code when they never do?
The solution proposed below Posted by: Faculty 4/5/01
I just read the proposed solution to the Peabody Park problem that is proposed below: put the suggested dorm/parking spaces next to the EUC instead of in Peabody Park. This sounds like an excellent solution to me, and from what I know of construction I feel sure it will also be less expensive, as exiting utilities are much closer to the EUC site that they would be to the Park fields, the site is already prepared, much less earth moving would be necessary, etc. Does UNCG not only wish to destroy Peabody Park but also waste money? If not, then let's adopt the EUC site instead. It truly is a simple solution to the whole problem, and it would not disturb our educational park.
Further destruction of Peabody Park fields Posted by: Faculty 4/2/01
If you wish to see the location in the Peabody Park fields that would be destroyed under this plan please point your browser to: http://peabody.uncg.edu/peabody/images/fields.jpg Construction at this location was proposed about five years ago, and although the university tried to slip it through with no one noticing, it was noticed and there was an enormous outcry, with articles in the newspaper, angry letters to the trustees, and so on. And here it is all over again; it is as though the Chancellor's House scandal didn't teach anyone anything. When this construction was proposed five years ago, a student/faculty/staff committee appointed by the Chancellor overwhelmingly rejected it; and yet here it is again, with the new twist that the area supposedly isn't part of Peabody Park this time. In addition to destroying more of Peabody Park, dormitory construction in this area would further isolate the student population on the margins of the campus, instead of integrating them into the center; this goes against everything that has been learned about mixed use and good community design in the last generation. UNCG planning is a collection of bad ideas that never seem to die. No one ever learns anything. It is time that the campus planners were replaced; that is the only way that we will really be able to create a high-quality educational environment here.
campus expansion Posted by: Resident Student 3/29/01
I'm not a resident student, but I am a resident of a neighboring community. I am pleased to see that UNCG plans to expand south of Spring Garden over the railroad tracks. This is a wonderful start towards the revitalization of the area. Bravo UNCG! I hope to see even more development in that area in the future... send out a message UNCG. Let us know that you are trying to improve the community by revitalizing an area that is not doing well instead of destroying an existing neighborhood that is thriving. If you do, you will most certainly continue to get my support!
UNCG can revitalize our community - Will it? Posted by: Resident Student 3/29/01
I'm not a resident student, but I am a resident of a neighboring community. I am pleased to see that UNCG plans to expand south of Spring Garden over the railroad tracks. This is a wonderful start towards the revitalization of the area. Bravo UNCG! I hope to see even more development in that area in the future... send out a message UNCG. Let us know that you are trying to improve the community by revitalizing an area that is not doing well instead of destroying an existing neighborhood that is thriving. If you do, you will most certainly continue to get my support!
In response to BORDER EXPANSION on 3/23 Posted by: Resident Student 3/29/01
Oh please! What form letter did that comment come from?! You sound like a pawn saying exactly what someone asked you to. It's a terrible idea to develop that spot - an even worse idea to put an ugly pedestrian bridge over Market... and trust me it would be UGLY. Big, metal, rusty and UGLY!! They say it would be for a conference center - a joint-venture with someone else. Why do they need a conference center anyways. It's been proven to be a bad business decision at so many other universities. UNCG is just trying to test the waters... Here's my official opinion: Please leave the strip between Friendly and Market alone.
Border expansion Posted by: Resident Student 3/23/01
I am a recent Graduate, not a student. I atended UNCG for 4.5 years and have heard all the debate on expanding the borders of the campus. I think you should greatly consider expanding beyond Aycock to the west and beyond Market to the north and use bridges to overcome concerns of students crossing heavy traffic.


Campus Safety

Re: Fraternities Posted by: Commuter Student 6/20/2001
Aww, poor baby is upset. Why don't you go beat somebody up, maybe that will make you feel better.
Fraternities Posted by: Commuter Student 6/19/2001
The school needs to get with the program of most other Universities and attract students who will take root in the community. One way to do this is to build a fraternity row in order to have housing that the students will not look forward to leaving at each small break. I find it amusing that a "Neighbor" of the campus enjoys calling the fraternities organized gangs. I believe that term should be reserved for the local neighborhood associations, which have now split into warring factions who can no longer live with each not to mention having to live near a college. These people should wake up and realize that noone takes them seriously because they have retained their radical ideas in what has become a more conservative society. I don't know if any of you neighbors have noticed, but the city is doing everything they can to try to attract twenty-somethings to remain in the city. This is something they call "revitalization." Apparantly they are tiring of the codgy attitudes of the current population that is resulting in a lagging business environment. The Fraternities and Sororities on this campus do many things in the community in addition to raising large amounts of money for National Philanthropies helping battered women, people with disabilities and the Make A Wish foundation. When was the last time someone from College Hill did anything to help anyone but themselves? Wake up, you live in "College" Hill. Just because you were robbed of a full college experience, don't take it out on those experiencing one right now by saying they are in a gang. I'm sure the members of the leadership of our country - most of which have belonged to fraternities - to include the President of the United States would take exception to your treatment and attitude toward them. You have probably never even met one of the members personally before bashing them. If you would like to, go downtown and introduce yourself to Congressman Howard Coble - he is a member of one of the chapters from this campus and proudly hangs the membership shingle on the wall in his local office. Tell him he is a gang member.
Please don't destroy our park!!!! Posted by: Resident Student 6/13/2001
Just in the past 50 years, most of the park has all ready been destroyed. We sit back and watch it get smaller and smaller. Eventually we'll have to say, there used to be a park there, but not anymore. So many things enjoy our park. Not only students and faculty, but many plants and animals make their home there also. It's the best guide for biology ans science majors, and perfect for those more students that don't "get" science to really appreciate it and understand it better. Just because it's cheapier to plow down a bunch of trees than to build up on land we already have destroyed doesn't mean it's right. There are concerns about the money and the room but what about the beauty of our campus. It should be a place people want to come and enjoy their surroundings while getting a great education, that's what makes a grea college, no one needs bigger buildings or more parking lots to fill those needs. UNCG always prides themselves on small personal classes. With these small classes, on a pretty day you can take the whole class out to Peabody park and learn in nature. These are some of my greatest memories. Expanding the school would destroy this option, you can't take big classes outside, and it's not even an option if there isn't a place to go. Please don't destroy our park!!!
Campus expansion Posted by: Resident Student 6/11/2001
It may be expensive, but I know how UNCG is on looks. You should destroy the Industrial buildings on Lee St. and build a giant engineering school over the train tracks. This will provide a means to get around the railroad tracks and a great looking front.
Just Perfect . . . Posted by: Resident Student 5/29/2001
Financial AId Posted by: Commuter Student 5/17/2001
to all whom have had problems with financial aid, which is probably everyone who attends UNCG. The financial aid office are thiefs!!!! How can you send money back to a students/parents lender AFTER the money has already been awarded and the semester is already over? Now your saying I have to pay this money back or I will be dropped from my classes for my last semester until I graduate. . It's a bunch of bullshit if you ask me, how dare you take money that isn't yours, and most of all without the consent or knowledge of the people who signed the promissary note! God, this whole shcool is full of money hungry adminstrators and you need to stop screwing everyone over. This school is a JOKE!!!!!!
Business ventures Posted by: Commuter Student 5/3/01
This site has reached a large audience with no variance in response. UNC-Greensboro...how much does your audience have to beg and plead to get the message through? Is there something wrong with our Marketing programs at the Bryan School? What happened to integration of direct marketing and customer preference? What are you marketing, UNC-Greensboro? The decision to keep Peabody Park intact is worth consideration. Take a look at your audience, UNC-G. Who is your target? What do you plan to achieve?
Peabody Park Posted by: Commuter Student 4/24/01
The proposed solution to destroy the remaining portion of Peabody Park is one of the more harebrained things I've heard of in my three years at UNCG. Not only is the university planning to tear down yet another green space to put up what is doubtless another architectural monstrosity along the lines of the cheap-looking, flimsy buildings that have been erected in past years, but it's being done on the sly. The solution to both the housing and parking shortage is simple: Raise admissions standards and restrict freshman resident students from having cars. By doing these two things, UNCG can truly begin to become the type of school it keeps saying it wants to be.
Preserve What Remains of Peabody Park! Posted by: Faculty 4/11/01
As an instructor of earth and environmental science at UNCG, I am saddened and dismayed by UNCG's latest plans to develop yet more of one of the few remaining natural areas on campus. Peabody Park is a tremendous teaching and research resource for our students. Developing more of the park, will directly harm our students; not to mention the natural environment of GSO.
Peabody Park Posted by: Staff 4/9/01
I have been a student on this campus as well as a current staff member. Please do not do anything as destructive as tearing up Peabody Park. I happen to work on a side of campus that has little parking; however, I do not believe that adding a parking site and dorm on the Park will help. We need to conserve this wonderful space on campus not destory it. Use you money to add floors to existing structures. Go up -- no out into the Park.
Expansion of UNCG Posted by: Resident Student 4/6/01
I am actually a parent of two daughters who attend UNCG. One of the reasons they chose to attend UNCG was the size of the campus as compared to some of the other branches of UNC. Believe it or not, some students prefer smaller campuses. The fact that the campus has so much green space was another factor in their choice of schools. Destruction of Peabody Park would be a disaster for the future of the campus. Greensboro has enough asphalt now. Save some natural beauty before it is too late.
Reaction to Master Plan presentation on April 5 Posted by: Staff 4/6/01
It was very inspiring and as an employee and an alumna I am so excited about the future on this campus. Thank you for a great plan.
Peabody Park Posted by: Resident Student 4/4/01
One of my favorite places on campus to study (or to just simply "get away" for a while) is Peabody Park, both the woods and the fields section. I can't imagine not being able to take a book and read there due to this favorite spot being replaced by yet another parking lot or dorm. I understand that each year, more students are entering as freshmen and the need to expand UNCG is becoming more and more important. But to that, I share many of the same possible solutions that others have shared: build some place that is already more urban and closer to campus rather than taking over Peabody Park and if there must be more construction, build vertically rather than leave a one-story building that takes up a lot of space. Besides my personal feelings, Peabody Park has been used by more than one of my biology classes (in one lab, we even took water samples from there) and there is a natural amphitheater (I apologize if that spelling is not correct) that is just waiting to be used again. None of Peabody Park, however, is waiting to be destroyed.
Construction in Peabody Park Posted by: Staff 4/4/01
I think construction in the park is a terrible idea. It is a beautiful area that should be conserved Habitat for many species would be lost if this plan is carried out. I think it should be left as is for everyone to enjoy
It will never be a dorm Posted by: Commuter Student 4/3/01
If you think for a minute that they really plan to build a parking lot *and* a dorm in Peabody Park you're crazy. They will build the parking lot right away, like next year, and destroy as much as they can, and then maybe 10 or 20 years later they might get around to building a dorm, or maybe then they'll say, oops, ran out of money, sorry, we'll just leave it as a parking lot.
"Northeast Campus Infrastructure" Posted by: Resident Student 4/2/01
I am actually an alumna of UNCG. I earned two degrees at UNCG, and in the process I spent several years there, both as a Resident Student and as a Commuting Student. I have now taught at other colleges and universities, and I can honestly say that wooded areas, such as Peabody Park, are MUCH more valuable to a campus than a little more parking or dorm space. UNCG has several other areas in which to place such "infrastructure." Some of my favorite moments on the UNCG campus were spent in Peabody Park, kicking through leaves in the autumn or admiring the new growth of spring. It is easy to forget that campus life consists of more than just the activities held in classrooms or residence buildings. Although the faculty and curricula were most important factors in my college choice, the beautiful green and tree-covered areas of UNCG are a large part of what attracted me to the campus in the first place.
Northeast Campus Infrastructure Posted by: Resident Student 4/2/01
I earned two degrees at UNCG, and in the process I spent several years there, both as a Resident Student and as a Commuting Student. I now have taught at other colleges and universities, and I can honestly say that wooded areas, such as Peabody Park, are MUCH more valuable to a university campus than a little more parking or dorm space. (Parking is always terrible at a university!) UNCG has several other areas in which to place new "infrastructure." Some of my favorite times at UNCG were spent in Peabody Park, kicking through autumn leaves or admiring the new growth of spring. It is easy to forget that campus life consists of more than just the activities held in classrooms or residence buildings. Although the faculty and curricula were most important factors in my college choice, the beautiful green and tree-covered areas of UNCG are a large part of what attracted me to the campus in the first place.
No expansion North towards Westerwood Posted by: Staff 4/2/01
This is to express my opinion that UNCG should not expand North towards Market Street and Friendly Avenues. There is not enough space to significantly impact space needs. Why not continue to access the space South near Yum, Yum's and businesses behind Yum, Yum. I am an advocate for growth, but not at the expense of the residents and tax payers of the community. My feeling is that there is adequate space on the campus already and that it needs to be better utilized.
Peadbody Park Posted by: Commuter Student 4/2/01
Please avoid further encroachment on Peabody Park. As a Greensboro citizen and a student at UNCG, I think it is important to preserve all the natural areas that remain in this city. This beautiful gift to the university must be preserved. Let's not pave it over. If the university must continue to grow, it must make smarter use its land or grow out into the community where there are suitable properties available. I came from a much larger university which was successfully converted to a pedestrian-friendly campus. I think doing this in UNCG is feasible. It will also gain more space for necessary buildings on campus. I consider any more parking spaces on campus totally unnecessary. Encouraging walking, building public transportation, and making the campus friendly for bicycle commuting will go a long way toward improving the perceived parking crunch.
Peabody Park Posted by: Resident Student 3/30/01
As a resident of Moore-Strong, every day I enjoy the view of beautiful Peabody Park around my dorm. I have gone out into the field to fly a kite and just to escape from the more crowded parts of campus. The construction plan for this area should be cancelled without a doubt. If new parking and housing is needed, it would be wiser to build in the southern end of campus closer to the academic buildings. I also suggest building another parking deck where the current freshman lot is. Whatever the new plan may be, constructing in Peabody Park is not the best option. We students enjoy the area each day and do not want to see it developed into parking or another residence hall.
What it's about Posted by: Commuter Student 3/29/01
Where did anyone ever get the idea that this whole master plan thing has anything to do with education? It's all about lining the pockets of two or three trash millionaires on the board of trustees. This place is no different than a shopping mall to them.
Peabody Park Posted by: Commuter Student 3/28/01
Most students do not live on campus for so I do not feel that we need to a new dorm behind Moore-Strong in Peabody Park. We need to look at ways to encourage better campus housing and ways to improve housing in the community for students. If we do need a new dorm there are other places to put it. Particularly more infill on the South side of campus. I do like the idea of a multi-use building with parking underneath. A dorm behind Moore Strong pulls students away from the academic core of the University.


Campus Spaces

Peabody Park Posted by: Commuter Student 5/11/01
I am disturbed by UNCG's constant dissemination of misinformation about Peabody park. Every time there is an article in the Greensboro News & Record, the university fails to name the field ecosystem part of Peabody Park. It is never included in the overall acreage of the park. This field system is a very important and integral park of Peabody Park. The outdoor amphitheater is here as well as the historic "lake" area seen in photos of the campus in earlier days. To compromise this ecosystem for the sake of parking is unthinkable. There is other space for dorms and parking, and if the plan would build up instead of out we can save the beauty of the campus as well as the environmental areas used for relaxation, contemplation and instruction. Peabody Park, both the woodland and field ecosystems, is used as an instructional site for many biology courses. Other courses use this space to have classes outside in order to appreciate the beauty around us. PLEASE DO NOT COMPROMISE PEABODY PARK FOR THE SAKE OF PARKING!!!!!!
An example from elsewhere Posted by: Campus Neighbor 4/25/01
I just did a search of the web to find information about campus planning at other colleges. I found that the University of Chicago master plan also proposed destroying some important historical areas and ruining a local neighborhood. The neighbors decided the only way to get the attention of the university administration was to slap them with a lawsuit. Maybe Perkins Will and UNCG need the same treatment to get them to be responsible in their management of the UNCG campus and surrounding areas.
Design of IdeaXchange Posted by: Resident Student 4/17/01
I am a parent [and a taxpayer], but here is no place for me in above box. Also, the pages don't scroll well so ideas are truncated. A better design for comments will add credibilty to your process. In addition, a narrative summary about possible use of buildings, number of class rooms/labs or dorm rooms, etc. would also help flesh out the concept plan. More later.
Please Preserve OUR Park Posted by: Resident Student 4/12/01
Have you been out to Peabody Park lately? Students in need of the renewing presence of nature have flocked to our park recently! Perhaps we could encourage more incorporation of the park into students' daily lives by positioning a few picnic tables under the pine tree grove behind Moore-Strong?! At any rate, please leave us Peabody Park!!!!
Please!!! Posted by: Resident Student 4/12/01
Have you been out to Peabody Park lately? Students in need of the renewing presence of nature have flocked to our park recently! Perhaps we could encourage more incorporation of the park into students' daily lives by positioning a few picnic tables under the pine tree grove behind Moore-Strong?! At any rate, please leave us Peabody Park!!!!
Posted by: Faculty 4/11/01
As an instructor of earth and environmental science at UNCG, I am saddened and dismayed by UNCG''''s latest plans to develop yet more of one of the few remaining natural areas on campus. Peabody Park is a tremendous teaching and research resource for our students. Developing more of the park, will directly harm our students; not to mention the natural environment of GSO.
Peabody Posted by: Staff 4/9/01
Leave our park alone!
peabody park Posted by: Commuter Student 4/9/01
i am deeply disappointed that the university does not value the open space provided by peadbody park. as an alumnus, i will not support uncg if they continue to develop peabody park!
peabody park Posted by: Commuter Student 4/9/01
i am deeply disappointed that the university does not value the open space that is offered by peabody park. as an alumnus, i will not give any money if the university continues to develop peabody park
Peabody Park Posted by: Faculty 4/9/01
Leave our park alone!
Peabody Park Posted by: Commuter Student 4/6/01
To whom it may concern: I will be shortly writing a letter to Chancellor Sullivan, but this is as good a way to communicate my ideas as any, I imagine. I absolutely detest the fact the Peabody Park is going to be sliced open, trampled, and otherwise ruined for the "infrastructure" expansion in the Northeast quadrant of campus. As a music student, I see no need to open up new pathways or walkways or otherwise in this last remaining bit of nature in the midst of a ghastly, wanna-be-cosmopolitan "let's overgrow everything we have" campus. It sickens me that the University is also wanting to put buildings in Peabody park by 2020. NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. If spent wisely, 150 Million dollars can do a hell of a lot. Land values are rather cheap around campus, especially south of Oakland avenue. For the park's sake, build the buildings by Lee St. that were originally destined to go into Peabody park. Or, if the University truly wanted to be a service-oriented/student-centered university (hah), they could help the city of Greensboro out and expand into downtown. Land is also somewhat cheap there (comparativbely) and the city of Greensboro wants more denizens actively passing through downtown. Look at it this way... There are a lot of big-named universities with two campuses: Duke, Harvard, Oxford, Ohio State, U-Wisconsin... We could almost be in their league. I read a novel a few years back by a Greensboro resident, Orson Scott Card. He claimed that many years into teh future UNCG would be the largest state university in the world. I suppose it's alright if UNCG feels that way, but leave Peabody park alone. Keep this one piece of what Greensboro was at one time in tact. There is no reason not too. Thomas J. Dempster BM, Composition. 2001
Preserve Peabody Park! Posted by: Resident Student 4/5/01
Peabody Park is one aspect of campus that I appreciated before ever even seriously considering applying to UNCG. I had always envisioned myself attending a smaller school with old, beautiful buildings surrounded by magnificent woods and streams; however, I did not find this at any university I visited, and Peabody Park seemed to be the closest thing that existed to the setting I so adamantly desired. Therefore, had it not been for the Park, I may not have chosen to come to the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. Peabody Park has provided me with an invaluable knowledge and appreciation for the environment that I might never have attained otherwise. The park is truly of much educational value for academic, economic, and personal reasons. Also, one must ponder: why are many species of plants and animals threatened with extinction right now? In part, this is because humans do not know enough about the diversity surrounding them in order to appreciate these many species and to try to protect them. As Thomas Berry states in his book, The_Great_Work, "[now] is the time for universities to rethink themselves and what they are doing" (85). Therefore, UNCG should pride itself not in another brick building that will separate more students from the heart of campus, but rather in an appropriate and sustainable contribution to the dire need of preserving open spaces and parks through the conservation Peabody Park.
Preserve the Park! Posted by: Resident Student 4/5/01
Peabody Park is one aspect of campus that I appreciated before ever even seriously considering applying to UNCG. I had always envisioned myself attending a smaller school with old, beautiful buildings surrounded by magnificent woods and streams; however, I did not find this at any university I visited, and Peabody Park seemed to be the closest thing that existed to the setting I so adamantly desired. Therefore, had it not been for the Park, I may not have chosen to come to the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. Peabody Park has provided me with an invaluable knowledge and appreciation for the environment that I might never have attained otherwise. The park is truly of much educational value for academic, economic, and personal reasons. Also, one must ponder: why are many species of plants and animals threatened with extinction right now? In part, this is because humans do not know enough about the diversity surrounding them in order to appreciate these many species and to try to protect them. As Thomas Berry states in his book, The_Great_Work, "[now] is the time for universities to rethink themselves and what they are doing" (85). Therefore, UNCG should pride itself not in another brick building that will separate more students from the heart of campus, but rather in an appropriate and sustainable contribution to the dire need of preserving open spaces and parks through the conservation Peabody Park.
Peabody Park Posted by: Resident Student 4/4/01
Please reconsider any further reduction in the size of Peabody Park. Properly cared for and maintained, the Park could be a treasure to this university that no extra dorm or parking lot could ever be. Pleas don't destroy beuty for the sake of mere convienence!
Peabody Park Posted by: Resident Student 4/4/01
Please reconsider any further reduction in the size of Peabody Park. Properly cared for and maintained, the Park could be a treasure to this university that no extra dorm or parking lot could ever be. Please don't destroy beuty for the sake of mere convienence!
Peabody Park Posted by: Resident Student 4/3/01
At least leave us Peabody Park. That is all.
Peabody Park Posted by: Resident Student 4/3/01
It would be VERY unwise to build in Peabody Park. As I understand it, there may be some confusion as to what area exactly constitutes Peabody Park. The answer is, the entire campus. Most of the recently-constructed buildings were built on land that was originally designated as part of the Park. It is time for this to stop. Peabody Park has been decimated by successive plans such as the one which now proposes a new dormitory and parking area behind Moore-Strong Hall. Not only would the residents of such a dormitory be extremely isolated from the rest of the campus (the two dorms on that far end of campus, Moore-Strong and Phillips-Hawkins already are very isolated as it is), they would never be able to fully appreciate the natural beauty of this campus, because their concrete walls will have replaced that natural beauty. PLEASE reconsider this construction proposal. It will not do anyone--birds, bees, or students--any good at all. Thank you.
Peabody Park Posted by: Resident Student 4/3/01
Please leave the land that is to the west of Moore-Strong hall untouched. It would be a shame to spoil the natural beauty of the area for a dormitory or a parking lot, when there are other, already demolished areas (such as the one near the EUC) that would serve even better for dorms and parking lots. Leave our park alone; it is one of the few natural havens we have left here.
A simple solution to the Peabody Park fiasco Posted by: Resident Student 4/3/01
So it looks like we have another Chancellor's House fiasco on our hands. Here is a genuine simple solution to this Peabody Park problem: the Perkins Will plan shows an empty space for a "green" to the left of the EUC. That is the space that is now a gravel parking lot. The solution is to pick up the proposed dorm/parking lot from Peabody Park and drop it right into the space next to the EUC. It will fit perfectly, put the students right in the center of campus, preserve Peabody Park, and make good use of a space that is already completely destroyed. Problem solved. If Perkins Will makes that change I bet they won't hear any more complaints (unless UNCG tries to override it and slip it through again).
False information about Peabody Park Posted by: Staff 4/2/01
It is curious that a few years ago, when a parking lot was proposed in the Peabody Park fields, that the Division of Business Affairs shamelessly manipulated the student government association into concocting a misleading survey that they hoped would justify that project. And now they are just as shamelessly making false claims about the area not even being part of Peabody Park. Telling the truth is not one of the university's strong points. But then again, maybe it just depends on what your definition of "is" is.
staff center Posted by: Staff 4/2/01
UNCG needs a staff center to complement its student center and faculty center. Part of the building could be used to provide workshops as part of a much needed staff professional development initiative.
Peabody Park Posted by: Commuter Student 3/28/01
We need to make Peabody Park a signature Park on campusmaintained by the University much like other campuses. This could be used as a promotional tool and would improve relations with the community. It would also continue to serve as an educational, scenic, and recreational resource.
Peabody Park Posted by: Faculty 3/28/01
While I admire much of your plan, I adamently oppose the use of the land west of the Moore-Strong Hall for development. As the use of distance education at UNCG grows, there will be less need to build dormitories and even parking lots. Thus, in a decade the proposed constructions may not needed. But an area of scenic beauty - which can be used to recruit students - would be destroyed forever. Thus, I request that this area be deleted from use in the Master Plan.

Note: These comments on the UNCG master plan posted from March-June 2001 are continued on page 2001B.


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