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Public Comments on the UNCG Master Plan and Peabody Park

March–June 2001, Part B

Below is the second section of public comments on the UNCG Master Plan posted to the Perkins & Will bulletin board from March–June 2001. The first section is available on page 2001A. An earlier comment period ran from April–July 2000; those comments are available on page 2000A and page 2000B. Because the bulletin board software was somewhat awkward to use, a few people duplicated their posts inadvertently; these duplications have been retained without editing to protect the integrity of the record.



General Campus Improvements

Are They Listening? Posted by: Commuter Student 6/6/2001
One has to wonder if anyone is een reading this...is this a sincere attempt to gather information, or is it a token effort so the administration can say, "Hey, look! We asked people what they thought!" I think most of us would agree on the latter. All the bad ideas will continue and it'll be in the papers that the administration "took into consideration" these thoughts. Is anyone else laughing? I also hope thye pay attention to the other issues brought up here. It's blatantly clear that more needs to be addressed here than they anticipated.
Park Posted by: Resident Student 5/7/01
As a University Alumni I was shocked to hear of the plans to destroy Peabody Park- what a disgrace! I was an active student at UNCG, participating in many student organizations including the University Ambassadors and I always pointed out the Park at one of the beautiful assets to our campus! One of the reasons I fell in love with "the G" was for its outstanding atmosphere and aesthetic beauty. Peabody Park is part of that- keep the park and ditch freshman parking instead!!
Posted by: Resident Student 5/7/01
As a University Alumni I was shocked to hear of the plans to destroy Peabody Park- what a disgrace! I was an active student at UNCG, participating in many student organizations including the University Ambassadors and I always pointed out the Park at one of the beautiful assets to our campus! One of the reasons I fell in love with "the G" was for its outstanding atmosphere and aesthetic beauty. Peabody Park is part of that---keep the park and ditch freshman parking instead!!
NO to Park destruction! Posted by: Resident Student 5/7/01
As a University Alumni I was shocked to hear of the plans to destroy Peabody Park- what a disgrace! I was an active student at UNCG, participating in many student organizations including the University Ambassadors and I always pointed out the Park at one of the beautiful assets to our campus! One of the reasons I fell in love with "the G" was for its outstanding atmosphere and aesthetic beauty. Peabody Park is part of that---keep the park and ditch freshman parking instead!!
Peabody park Posted by: Resident Student 5/7/01
As a University Alumni I was shocked to hear of the plans to destroy Peabody Park- what a disgrace! I was an active student at UNCG, participating in many student organizations including the University Ambassadors and I always pointed out the Park at one of the beautiful assets to our campus! One of the reasons I fell in love with "the G" was for its outstanding atmosphere and aesthetic beauty. Peabody Park is part of that---keep the park and ditch freshman parking instead!!
Greek Housing Posted by: Resident Student 5/7/01
The University should know better than to disaffiliate themselves with the Greek System. These students are often misjudged and given bad reps by press and not given any credit when they do something good. When I was in school at UNCG, the Greeks were leaders on campus, academic scholars, volunteer workers and involved in student organizations such as Student Government, University Ambassadors and Step Ahead leaders. They are traditionally the alums that return for Homecoming and donate to University Funds, more so than students affiliate with nothing. What a shame to turn your back on the very students that embody what the college experience is all about.
the world Posted by: Campus Neighbor 5/1/01
Sometimes going to school at a university feels like living ina bubble. Inside class, inside the library, inside the rec center...its important that humans dont forget about the world that provides us a place to live, food to eat, air to breathe, an environment to respect and admire, a clear sky to philosophize under. Please dont shut me inside a bubble. I am a campus neighbor, a commuting student, a human being that values the world around me. the only reason I decided to attend UNCG (over UNC and Duke, to which I was admitted) was because I preferred the cosmopolitan atmosphere that the surrounding neighborhhoods provide, as well as simply the campus appearance. Growth and development and the construction that inevitably follows are sad realities of our modern world. However, I think foresight can be a reality, too. Don't kill Peabody Park.
Shameful Posted by: Faculty 4/23/01
It is shameful that so much educational progress at UNCG is blocked by three or four vulgar, backward bureaucrats who know nothing about education. UNCG could easily become a leading university (just because someone made up a slogan that says you are doesn't mean that you really are). But as long as third rate bureaucrats keep destroying educational facilities like Peabody Park this will never happen. I am ashamed for the students who come here to get a good education and who work hard, but are prevented from having the college experience they ought to have by UNCG's backward leadership.
Good news Posted by: Campus Neighbor 4/16/01
UNCG has broken affiliation with the fraternities on Market St? That's the best news I've heard all year! Why hasn't this been proudly announced in all the newspapers? For once the university administration is doing something right and showing some integrity.
Greek Housing Posted by: Commuter Student 4/15/01
Recently, fraternity houses on W Market St have been bombarded with zoning and fire code issues. The school then disaffiliated, withdrawing its recognition and support-leaving these organiztions to fend for themselves. UNCG, "where students come first," should continue to support the students and look into providing theme, or even perhaps Greek housing, as other schools do. This could bring many benefits and the idea should not be discounted by the creators of the master plan. I'm sure this idea will be brought in more detail in the near future.
Destruction of the Historical Environment Posted by: Campus Neighbor 4/11/01
I do not live in College Hill, but, I do live in an historic district. The University should show more sensitivity to its historically significant neighborhood as well as its own heritage. At one time, UNC-G was the leading liberal arts campus in the university system because its emphasis was on quality not quantity. Containing the size of the student body for a moderate period of time will ensure that quality and allow the faculty, students, neighbors, and alumni sufficient time to make quality suggestions. Such a course of action would certainly be more desirable than expansion by fiat.
Peabody Park Posted by: Staff 4/9/01
Leave Our Park Alone!
Peabody Park Posted by: Faculty 4/9/01
Leave the park alone!
Peabody Park Posted by: Resident Student 4/6/01
I note that you include no category for town residents who are also impacted by environmental changes at UNC-G. We are losing our heritage of green spaces and clean air and water in this community. I urge that all defend Peabody Park from the enroachment of more concrete, buildings and general sprawl that seems so prevelent in development today. Peabody Park is important to UNCG's image and beauty--and is a resource for animals, clean air and serenity that is lacking is much of Greensboro. Please don't build over yet another of our natural resources. Wendy S.
A new swimming pool Posted by: Staff 4/6/01
The current Rosenthal swimming pool was built in 1923 with the addition to the pool finished in 1966. We currently have a large number of students, faculty and staff who use the pool during available times. We cannot always offer as many aquatic programs as we would like because of the size of the pool and number of different groups who are sharing the pool. It is time for the University to build a pool that can accommodate the needs of the university community. The current condition of the Rosenthal Pool strongly indicates that it is time to replace the pool. The ceiling, windows, heating system, lack of air conditioning, chlorine pump, and tiles for the deck and bottom of the pool are in need of repair and replacement. In the current Master Facility Plan, the proposed site for a new pool is directly north of the Student Recreation Center. At this time, I don't believe that this is a realistic option. Since it will have to be a freestanding facility, regardless of its location, I would strongly suggest that it be a signature building in the parking lot on the corner of Walker Ave., Aycock Street. (Directly across from the Student Recreation Center) A new aquatic facility on the UNCG campus would be a tremendous addition to the recreational opportunities for the members of UNCG. During the summer semesters the University could more appropriately serve the students attending summer camps and members of the Greensboro Community. Cindy Hardy, Director of Campus Recreation
Scale of Buildings Posted by: Faculty 4/6/01
It really bothers me that some many of the buildings on campus are undersized. The Elliot Center is the worst problem--even with the expansion it will be too small for the campuses needs the second it opens. Concerning academic buildings, I would much rather have 5 story buildings with green spaces around them than two 3 story buildings taking up a larger footprint. We may want to avoid skyscrapers, but a campus of midget buildings looks pretty silly too and uses up too much land.
Posted by: Staff 4/5/01
I agree that most of this plan seems to go against what the UNCG community wants. I also agree that the campus is deserted on weekends; yet, many of these ideas pay no attention to these observations. I agree with the post that said we need to scrap the planners. What do they know about being part of UNCG, or eating a hot dog at Yum Yum,or going to class or working here, or sitting outside for lunch on a nice day, or about anything for that matter besides making money? The population of this campus needs to play the central role in planning. We know better than anyone else what this campus needs. Maybe then the campus would actually retain students during off hours. At the university where I got my undergraduate degree, the whole campus buzzed with activity all the time, even weekends- do you know why? It was not parking lots- it was the amount of pleasant green outdoor space. There were actually places to go to sit and talk, or whatever. You can build all the parking lots and buildings you want, but if your campus population does not feel like they matter, you will lose them to a place who listens to them anyway.
Peabody Park Posted by: Resident Student 4/2/01
I am incredibly sad to hear that the University is trying to destroy peabody park to add another dorm and parking. Peabody park not only houses different species of plants and animals, but it adds to the beauty of the campus. Without the park the campus is just going to look dull and ugly. I, as did many UNCG students, fell in love with this campus partly because of Peabody park. It allows students to escape the city buildings, traffic, and ugly pavement to just relax. If the University is so set on creating a new parking lot, why don't they just not allow freshman to have cars. The majority of Universities do not allow first year students to have cars, and those students manage to get by. As for a new dormitory, isn't there somewhere else that it can be built? By taking away Peabody Park, UNCG is just participating with the rest of the world in destroying our natural habitat.
Keeping Students on Campus Posted by: Commuter Student 3/21/01
One of the major problems that needs to be seriously addressed is keeping students on Campus beyond normal class hours, and especially on weekends. Anyone who goes to campus on the weekend finds that the campus looks more like a ghost town in those old western movies. I think incorporating recreational/ game area in the center of campus with a bowling ally, game room, and a mid-scale restaurant would be a great addition. I was very disappointed to see none of this in the New Elliot Center, and the Rec. area in the Old Elliot Center is really bad. It is also a common misconception that all college students enjoy fast food, but with a large portion of the student body made up of slightly older commuter students fast food just doesn't cut it. In fact it gets very old, very fast. A nicer restaurant would be nice. As far as Peabody Park is concerned it was donated under the stipulation that it would not be developed. It would be nice to see the park be improved, but not cut down for a parking deck. Also, don't put any of those blinding lights that are along Spring Garden Street in the park. Those lights HURT at night. Over all, the Campus needs to keep as much of its green space as possible. It also would be nice to see less of the old trees being cut down. I can list several examples of hundred year old trees being cut down and nothing going in its place.


Parking and Automobile Access

Parking Posted by: Commuter Student 6/12/2001
Really guys, you need to lay off the Parking Services. How dare any of you insinuate that it is all about money. This is a student focused campus, is it not? How could the school have money as their motivation for anything? I'm sure you wound the heart of the administration to even consider such a thing. After all they revamped Spring Garden a few years ago to the tune of $1.5 million to make it more "pedestrian friendly". You don't think that doing away with the on-street parking there for we commuters had anything to do with do you? Of course not! We have parking garages they can herd us into at a $210 a year clip, we're made of money you know. This reining in of on the street parking also gives the "cop-want-to-be's" in parking services an avenue to exercise their need for power. So you see, the school in regards to parking services is really a student centered university. It prevents us from getting run over on Spring Garden and also provides the power outlet for power hungry individuals that might be forced to manifest their insecurities in other more harmful forms.
Posted by: Resident Student 6/8/2001
Do be sure to tell the "Parking Patrol" to lay off. Patrolling a university parking lot is NOT and should not be treated as an episode of "COPS". Sorry to bust your bubble, but I've had to deal with one too many self-righteous "almost cops".
Re: Parking is a scam Posted by: Staff 6/8/2001
This is in regards to the above comment about parking being a scam. If that is correct (and why does it not suprise me in the least?), then I just want to let our dear Chancellr know that she is a sick individual for taking advantage of a an entire campus of students (who already have precious little money) in order to further her agenda. Keep up the excellent work, Patty.
Let's Get Real Posted by: Commuter Student 6/8/2001
Personally, I am more than just a little sick and tired of having to get to school ONE HOUR early in order to find a place to park. No, I do not have a parking permit. The reason? I am a college student who has NO MONEY and the money I do have cannot justifiably go to a parking permit. Besides, it's not as though having a permit would actually guarantee a parking space because it doesn't. In other words, we are expected to shell out THE HIGHEST FEE among N.C. state supported schools for "the possibility of a parking space along with some helpful tips on street parking in adjoining neighborhoods". You have got to be kidding. What I am suggesting to you is not so much an idea, but a reality. You say that one of your reasons for not putting parking lots in areas that were otherwise suitable for them was because the residents of Greensboro do not want to have ugly parking lots to look at. Guess what? The residents of Greensboro don't care in the least. Besides, when was the last time YOU looked at a parking lot and became outraged by the nerve someone had to build such a "monstrosity"? Come on, let's get real.
Parking Posted by: Resident Student 5/8/01
I think that if we simply eliminated Freshman Parking, and had a better escort service (better as in not waiting around in the parking lot at night for 15 minutes) the parking situation wouldn't be that bad. Maybe our escort service could ride a long a continuous route, instead of us having to call them every time we need a ride from somewhere. There would simply be assigned stops in front of each dormm and parking lot.
Handicap Access/Parking Posted by: Staff 4/16/01
As a staff member who is mobility handicapped, I feel that more handicap parking should be made. Compared to regular parking, there is not enough handicap spaces. Consideration of the problems encountered by handicap persons, should be made as to the location of these spaces. The parking for Jackson Library and Elliott Center are awful. These are public places, not just student oriented buildings.
greedy Posted by: Resident Student 4/11/01
I have had nights of no available parking, and told that there was nothing I could do about it except pay more to park in the deck. Well I am disterbed by the idea of paying so much for parking at the beinging of the year for an unreliable service without any understnading. I would hope that the campus would provide the spaces sold and have enough concern for the safety of it's students enough not to have them park in the woods, such as the B lot.
parking and automobile access Posted by: Resident Student 4/11/01
I have had nights of no available parking, and told that there was nothing I could do about it except pay more to park in the deck. Well I am disterbed by the idea of paying so much for parking at the beinging of the year for an unreliable service without any understnading. I would hope that the campus would provide the spaces sold and have enough concern for the safety of it's students enough not to have them park in the woods, such as the B lot.
parking and automobile access Posted by: Resident Student 4/11/01
I wish that the school would care enough about student safety and providing the services that students pay for over passing out multiple tickets for loading and unloading when there are very little spaces and long walks to and from the lots. The B lots are always packed, and I refuse to pay extra money to park in the deck for one or more nights.
Parking Posted by: Resident Student 4/9/01
UNCG would be a great school if it weren't for the horrible parking or lack there of parking spaces. Parking is so expensive, it's a rip off. I would nevre pay 300$ for a parking sticker when you can never find a space anyway.
The parking problem is a scam Posted by: Staff 4/9/01
The UNCG parking problem could have been solved years ago if it were simply a matter of parking, but that's not what it's about: it's about making money by selling parking permits. It is in the university's financial interest for there to be a parking problem, and its effects on the students or the neighborhood are irrelevant: it's about making money. Unless Perkins Will hires an auditor to look at the books they are never going to know that.
Extra Parkin Posted by: Resident Student 4/6/01
Wouldn't it be simpler to add parking decks on TOP of excisting buildings that will get renovated? They do it in NYC, if the money is there, why not do that, instead of risking empty space that we students enjoy having?


Pedestrian Access

This Stinks (literally) Posted by: Commuter Student 6/8/2001
Could we PLEASE plan this asinine renovation project as if someone on campus actually has half a brain? Because of all of this stupid construction, students, staff, and faculty are forced to walk through "detour paths" to get to various buildings. Most of these paths are filled with mud puddles and, lately, the waste from "portable bathrooms" the construction workers use. That's right. If you walk in front of the otherwise beautiful Chancellor's house, you can get a nice eye-full and nose-full of human waste in a puddle near the garage. Thanks for all of the signs telling us what places on campus are "still open", but it doesn't matter if no one can get to them in the first place.


Student Life

The campus "newspaper" Posted by: Resident Student 6/8/2001
"Lots of things about this movie pissed me off". That is the first sentence I read of a movie review that was written in the Carolinian a few months ago. Now, I think by the time I was in ninth grade I knew better than to EVER start anything with a sentence like the one above, much less an article in a newspaper. Is this horrid writing representative of the entire campus or does the newspaper only allow the worst writing to be submitted? No wait, I know. The editors secretly hate the writers and they purposely make all of the writers' articles look like those that may be written by a ten year old child.
Residence Halls. Posted by: Resident Student 5/27/2001
It has become an concern around campus that the soroitys are taking up valuable space in the Cone resident hall. My suggestion to this is to take the ideas of most traditional schools. This considers greek housing through campus life. The greeks would pay room and board the same if not more then the residence in the campus dorms. Also they would be required to have a meal plan on campus. So this suggest that one the houses can not be off campus, so then the rules are abided about alchol and drugs and it might also suggest a frat court. This is where the frat houses are in one suggested area. In just a tid bit of info, if there is a concern about parties. I can tell you as a greek women on this campus our national rules do not allow any alchol in the house nor does it allow men. So that might help things. must soroities have the same rules and would definetly abide by them unless that want to lose their chart, which no one wants. Thanks.
Tell us more about the Carolinian Posted by: Faculty 5/9/01
I would like to hear more about any problems the Carolinian has had with the university administration. There are legal aid organizations that will help student journalists who are threatened by university officials. Perhaps the Carolinian editors need to get in touch with these organizations. It's amazing what a telephone call from a lawyer can do sometimes.
Response to the comment on The Carolinian Posted by: Resident Student 5/8/01
If YOU ran a newspaper and had to completely revamp a staff because they were all tired of crap they had to take from the ADMINISTRATION (NOT the Carolinian Editors), I'll bet your newspapaer wouldn't be so hot either! It doesn't help that we get almost zero from the university and people like you. Your demeaning comments do not encourage me.
Greek housing Posted by: Commuter Student 5/8/01
I am offended by the statement that only Greeks stand for what the "college experience is all about." It was also mentioned that they help out the university more than the rest of us, who are apparently affiliated with "nothing". It is not the media that gives you your reputation, it is this arrogant, narrow, self-congratulatory attitudes. There are other people on campus. There are people who can experience a sense of pride and belonging without letters.
Carolinian Posted by: Commuter Student 5/5/01
I can tell you why the Carolinian is not better: because if it was it would be a threat to the administration. The administration does not want a strong newspaper, because that could expose corruption. How do I know? Because a few years ago a friend of mine started to look into some of the university's business practices in order to write about it for the Carolinian, and he was hauled into a vice chancellor's office and told to back off. Another friend went to parking services to ask how many spaces there are versus how many stickers they sell, and parking services refused to give out that information. The first thing any corrupt government does is kill off the media, and that is what happens here at UNCG.
carolinian Posted by: Staff 5/4/01
I am amazed that UNCG contiues to spend exorbitant amounts of money on glossy, self-congratulatory publications yet CANNOT seem to provide a decent student newpaper. My son's high school paper makes the Carolinian look like" Run, Spot, Run". If it requires a salaried person, pay this person, If putting together a good newspaper demands adult supervision, relievie a faculty member of a teaching responsibility,and find that person. Take out the fluff, the world news, the news about Chapel Hill, the inane back and forth about sex and the national sports scene. Wake up Administration. Do you realize how many potential students and parents pick up this worthless piece of paper? We're better than the Carolinian would suggest.
dorms and parking Posted by: Campus Neighbor 4/23/01
I see a lot of improvement on academic buildings in this plan, but not much at all that is aimed at the actual lives of the students. I really do hope you are planning on building some actual dorms for your campus, as well as improving parking for the underclassmen.
Future Housing over parking deck Posted by: Campus Neighbor 4/18/01
For the Guide Plan, I would appreciate the removal of future housing and a parking garage for students in Peabody Park. I would prefer that Peabody Park remain unmarked in this document to further emphasize it as a park. There is little remaining of this area and at present we could in-fill on the South side of campus where the towers are currently located. Thank you.

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