Below is the second section of public comments on the UNCG
Master Plan posted to the Perkins & Will bulletin board from
March–June 2001. The first section is available on page 2001A. An earlier comment
period ran from April–July 2000; those comments are available on page 2000A and page 2000B. Because the bulletin
board software was somewhat awkward to use, a few people duplicated
their posts inadvertently; these duplications have been retained
without editing to protect the integrity of the record.
General Campus Improvements
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| Are They Listening? |
Posted by: Commuter Student |
6/6/2001 |
- One has to wonder if anyone is een reading this...is this a
sincere attempt to gather information, or is it a token effort so
the administration can say, "Hey, look! We asked people what they
thought!" I think most of us would agree on the latter. All the bad
ideas will continue and it'll be in the papers that the
administration "took into consideration" these thoughts. Is anyone
else laughing? I also hope thye pay attention to the other issues
brought up here. It's blatantly clear that more needs to be
addressed here than they anticipated.
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| Park |
Posted by: Resident Student |
5/7/01 |
- As a University Alumni I was shocked to hear of the plans to
destroy Peabody Park- what a disgrace! I was an active student at
UNCG, participating in many student organizations including the
University Ambassadors and I always pointed out the Park at one of
the beautiful assets to our campus! One of the reasons I fell in
love with "the G" was for its outstanding atmosphere and aesthetic
beauty. Peabody Park is part of that- keep the park and ditch
freshman parking instead!!
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Posted by: Resident Student |
5/7/01 |
- As a University Alumni I was shocked to hear of the plans to
destroy Peabody Park- what a disgrace! I was an active student at
UNCG, participating in many student organizations including the
University Ambassadors and I always pointed out the Park at one of
the beautiful assets to our campus! One of the reasons I fell in
love with "the G" was for its outstanding atmosphere and aesthetic
beauty. Peabody Park is part of that---keep the park and ditch
freshman parking instead!!
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| NO to Park destruction! |
Posted by: Resident Student |
5/7/01 |
- As a University Alumni I was shocked to hear of the plans to
destroy Peabody Park- what a disgrace! I was an active student at
UNCG, participating in many student organizations including the
University Ambassadors and I always pointed out the Park at one of
the beautiful assets to our campus! One of the reasons I fell in
love with "the G" was for its outstanding atmosphere and aesthetic
beauty. Peabody Park is part of that---keep the park and ditch
freshman parking instead!!
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| Peabody park |
Posted by: Resident Student |
5/7/01 |
- As a University Alumni I was shocked to hear of the plans to
destroy Peabody Park- what a disgrace! I was an active student at
UNCG, participating in many student organizations including the
University Ambassadors and I always pointed out the Park at one of
the beautiful assets to our campus! One of the reasons I fell in
love with "the G" was for its outstanding atmosphere and aesthetic
beauty. Peabody Park is part of that---keep the park and ditch
freshman parking instead!!
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| Greek Housing |
Posted by: Resident Student |
5/7/01 |
- The University should know better than to disaffiliate
themselves with the Greek System. These students are often
misjudged and given bad reps by press and not given any credit when
they do something good. When I was in school at UNCG, the Greeks
were leaders on campus, academic scholars, volunteer workers and
involved in student organizations such as Student Government,
University Ambassadors and Step Ahead leaders. They are
traditionally the alums that return for Homecoming and donate to
University Funds, more so than students affiliate with nothing.
What a shame to turn your back on the very students that embody
what the college experience is all about.
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| the world |
Posted by: Campus Neighbor |
5/1/01 |
- Sometimes going to school at a university feels like living ina
bubble. Inside class, inside the library, inside the rec
center...its important that humans dont forget about the world that
provides us a place to live, food to eat, air to breathe, an
environment to respect and admire, a clear sky to philosophize
under. Please dont shut me inside a bubble. I am a campus neighbor,
a commuting student, a human being that values the world around me.
the only reason I decided to attend UNCG (over UNC and Duke, to
which I was admitted) was because I preferred the cosmopolitan
atmosphere that the surrounding neighborhhoods provide, as well as
simply the campus appearance. Growth and development and the
construction that inevitably follows are sad realities of our
modern world. However, I think foresight can be a reality, too.
Don't kill Peabody Park.
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| Shameful |
Posted by: Faculty |
4/23/01 |
- It is shameful that so much educational progress at UNCG is
blocked by three or four vulgar, backward bureaucrats who know
nothing about education. UNCG could easily become a leading
university (just because someone made up a slogan that says you are
doesn't mean that you really are). But as long as third rate
bureaucrats keep destroying educational facilities like Peabody
Park this will never happen. I am ashamed for the students who come
here to get a good education and who work hard, but are prevented
from having the college experience they ought to have by UNCG's
backward leadership.
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| Good news |
Posted by: Campus Neighbor |
4/16/01 |
- UNCG has broken affiliation with the fraternities on Market St?
That's the best news I've heard all year! Why hasn't this been
proudly announced in all the newspapers? For once the university
administration is doing something right and showing some
integrity.
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| Greek Housing |
Posted by: Commuter Student |
4/15/01 |
- Recently, fraternity houses on W Market St have been bombarded
with zoning and fire code issues. The school then disaffiliated,
withdrawing its recognition and support-leaving these organiztions
to fend for themselves. UNCG, "where students come first," should
continue to support the students and look into providing theme, or
even perhaps Greek housing, as other schools do. This could bring
many benefits and the idea should not be discounted by the creators
of the master plan. I'm sure this idea will be brought in more
detail in the near future.
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| Destruction of the Historical
Environment |
Posted by: Campus Neighbor |
4/11/01 |
- I do not live in College Hill, but, I do live in an historic
district. The University should show more sensitivity to its
historically significant neighborhood as well as its own heritage.
At one time, UNC-G was the leading liberal arts campus in the
university system because its emphasis was on quality not quantity.
Containing the size of the student body for a moderate period of
time will ensure that quality and allow the faculty, students,
neighbors, and alumni sufficient time to make quality suggestions.
Such a course of action would certainly be more desirable than
expansion by fiat.
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| Peabody Park |
Posted by: Staff |
4/9/01 |
- Leave Our Park Alone!
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| Peabody Park |
Posted by: Faculty |
4/9/01 |
- Leave the park alone!
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| Peabody Park |
Posted by: Resident Student |
4/6/01 |
- I note that you include no category for town residents who are
also impacted by environmental changes at UNC-G. We are losing our
heritage of green spaces and clean air and water in this community.
I urge that all defend Peabody Park from the enroachment of more
concrete, buildings and general sprawl that seems so prevelent in
development today. Peabody Park is important to UNCG's image and
beauty--and is a resource for animals, clean air and serenity that
is lacking is much of Greensboro. Please don't build over yet
another of our natural resources. Wendy S.
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| A new swimming pool |
Posted by: Staff |
4/6/01 |
- The current Rosenthal swimming pool was built in 1923 with the
addition to the pool finished in 1966. We currently have a large
number of students, faculty and staff who use the pool during
available times. We cannot always offer as many aquatic programs as
we would like because of the size of the pool and number of
different groups who are sharing the pool. It is time for the
University to build a pool that can accommodate the needs of the
university community. The current condition of the Rosenthal Pool
strongly indicates that it is time to replace the pool. The
ceiling, windows, heating system, lack of air conditioning,
chlorine pump, and tiles for the deck and bottom of the pool are in
need of repair and replacement. In the current Master Facility
Plan, the proposed site for a new pool is directly north of the
Student Recreation Center. At this time, I don't believe that this
is a realistic option. Since it will have to be a freestanding
facility, regardless of its location, I would strongly suggest that
it be a signature building in the parking lot on the corner of
Walker Ave., Aycock Street. (Directly across from the Student
Recreation Center) A new aquatic facility on the UNCG campus would
be a tremendous addition to the recreational opportunities for the
members of UNCG. During the summer semesters the University could
more appropriately serve the students attending summer camps and
members of the Greensboro Community. Cindy Hardy, Director of
Campus Recreation
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| Scale of Buildings |
Posted by: Faculty |
4/6/01 |
- It really bothers me that some many of the buildings on campus
are undersized. The Elliot Center is the worst problem--even with
the expansion it will be too small for the campuses needs the
second it opens. Concerning academic buildings, I would much rather
have 5 story buildings with green spaces around them than two 3
story buildings taking up a larger footprint. We may want to avoid
skyscrapers, but a campus of midget buildings looks pretty silly
too and uses up too much land.
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Posted by: Staff |
4/5/01 |
- I agree that most of this plan seems to go against what the
UNCG community wants. I also agree that the campus is deserted on
weekends; yet, many of these ideas pay no attention to these
observations. I agree with the post that said we need to scrap the
planners. What do they know about being part of UNCG, or eating a
hot dog at Yum Yum,or going to class or working here, or sitting
outside for lunch on a nice day, or about anything for that matter
besides making money? The population of this campus needs to play
the central role in planning. We know better than anyone else what
this campus needs. Maybe then the campus would actually retain
students during off hours. At the university where I got my
undergraduate degree, the whole campus buzzed with activity all the
time, even weekends- do you know why? It was not parking lots- it
was the amount of pleasant green outdoor space. There were actually
places to go to sit and talk, or whatever. You can build all the
parking lots and buildings you want, but if your campus population
does not feel like they matter, you will lose them to a place who
listens to them anyway.
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| Peabody Park |
Posted by: Resident Student |
4/2/01 |
- I am incredibly sad to hear that the University is trying to
destroy peabody park to add another dorm and parking. Peabody park
not only houses different species of plants and animals, but it
adds to the beauty of the campus. Without the park the campus is
just going to look dull and ugly. I, as did many UNCG students,
fell in love with this campus partly because of Peabody park. It
allows students to escape the city buildings, traffic, and ugly
pavement to just relax. If the University is so set on creating a
new parking lot, why don't they just not allow freshman to have
cars. The majority of Universities do not allow first year students
to have cars, and those students manage to get by. As for a new
dormitory, isn't there somewhere else that it can be built? By
taking away Peabody Park, UNCG is just participating with the rest
of the world in destroying our natural habitat.
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| Keeping Students on Campus |
Posted by: Commuter Student |
3/21/01 |
- One of the major problems that needs to be seriously addressed
is keeping students on Campus beyond normal class hours, and
especially on weekends. Anyone who goes to campus on the weekend
finds that the campus looks more like a ghost town in those old
western movies. I think incorporating recreational/ game area in
the center of campus with a bowling ally, game room, and a
mid-scale restaurant would be a great addition. I was very
disappointed to see none of this in the New Elliot Center, and the
Rec. area in the Old Elliot Center is really bad. It is also a
common misconception that all college students enjoy fast food, but
with a large portion of the student body made up of slightly older
commuter students fast food just doesn't cut it. In fact it gets
very old, very fast. A nicer restaurant would be nice. As far as
Peabody Park is concerned it was donated under the stipulation that
it would not be developed. It would be nice to see the park be
improved, but not cut down for a parking deck. Also, don't put any
of those blinding lights that are along Spring Garden Street in the
park. Those lights HURT at night. Over all, the Campus needs to
keep as much of its green space as possible. It also would be nice
to see less of the old trees being cut down. I can list several
examples of hundred year old trees being cut down and nothing going
in its place.
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Parking and Automobile Access
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| Parking |
Posted by: Commuter Student |
6/12/2001 |
- Really guys, you need to lay off the Parking Services. How dare
any of you insinuate that it is all about money. This is a student
focused campus, is it not? How could the school have money as their
motivation for anything? I'm sure you wound the heart of the
administration to even consider such a thing. After all they
revamped Spring Garden a few years ago to the tune of $1.5 million
to make it more "pedestrian friendly". You don't think that doing
away with the on-street parking there for we commuters had anything
to do with do you? Of course not! We have parking garages they can
herd us into at a $210 a year clip, we're made of money you know.
This reining in of on the street parking also gives the
"cop-want-to-be's" in parking services an avenue to exercise their
need for power. So you see, the school in regards to parking
services is really a student centered university. It prevents us
from getting run over on Spring Garden and also provides the power
outlet for power hungry individuals that might be forced to
manifest their insecurities in other more harmful forms.
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Posted by: Resident Student |
6/8/2001 |
- Do be sure to tell the "Parking Patrol" to lay off. Patrolling
a university parking lot is NOT and should not be treated as an
episode of "COPS". Sorry to bust your bubble, but I've had to deal
with one too many self-righteous "almost cops".
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| Re: Parking is a scam |
Posted by: Staff |
6/8/2001 |
- This is in regards to the above comment about parking being a
scam. If that is correct (and why does it not suprise me in the
least?), then I just want to let our dear Chancellr know that she
is a sick individual for taking advantage of a an entire campus of
students (who already have precious little money) in order to
further her agenda. Keep up the excellent work, Patty.
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| Let's Get Real |
Posted by: Commuter Student |
6/8/2001 |
- Personally, I am more than just a little sick and tired of
having to get to school ONE HOUR early in order to find a place to
park. No, I do not have a parking permit. The reason? I am a
college student who has NO MONEY and the money I do have cannot
justifiably go to a parking permit. Besides, it's not as though
having a permit would actually guarantee a parking space because it
doesn't. In other words, we are expected to shell out THE HIGHEST
FEE among N.C. state supported schools for "the possibility of a
parking space along with some helpful tips on street parking in
adjoining neighborhoods". You have got to be kidding. What I am
suggesting to you is not so much an idea, but a reality. You say
that one of your reasons for not putting parking lots in areas that
were otherwise suitable for them was because the residents of
Greensboro do not want to have ugly parking lots to look at. Guess
what? The residents of Greensboro don't care in the least. Besides,
when was the last time YOU looked at a parking lot and became
outraged by the nerve someone had to build such a "monstrosity"?
Come on, let's get real.
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| Parking |
Posted by: Resident Student |
5/8/01 |
- I think that if we simply eliminated Freshman Parking, and had
a better escort service (better as in not waiting around in the
parking lot at night for 15 minutes) the parking situation wouldn't
be that bad. Maybe our escort service could ride a long a
continuous route, instead of us having to call them every time we
need a ride from somewhere. There would simply be assigned stops in
front of each dormm and parking lot.
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| Handicap Access/Parking |
Posted by: Staff |
4/16/01 |
- As a staff member who is mobility handicapped, I feel that more
handicap parking should be made. Compared to regular parking, there
is not enough handicap spaces. Consideration of the problems
encountered by handicap persons, should be made as to the location
of these spaces. The parking for Jackson Library and Elliott Center
are awful. These are public places, not just student oriented
buildings.
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| greedy |
Posted by: Resident Student |
4/11/01 |
- I have had nights of no available parking, and told that there
was nothing I could do about it except pay more to park in the
deck. Well I am disterbed by the idea of paying so much for parking
at the beinging of the year for an unreliable service without any
understnading. I would hope that the campus would provide the
spaces sold and have enough concern for the safety of it's students
enough not to have them park in the woods, such as the B lot.
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| parking and automobile access |
Posted by: Resident Student |
4/11/01 |
- I have had nights of no available parking, and told that there
was nothing I could do about it except pay more to park in the
deck. Well I am disterbed by the idea of paying so much for parking
at the beinging of the year for an unreliable service without any
understnading. I would hope that the campus would provide the
spaces sold and have enough concern for the safety of it's students
enough not to have them park in the woods, such as the B lot.
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| parking and automobile access |
Posted by: Resident Student |
4/11/01 |
- I wish that the school would care enough about student safety
and providing the services that students pay for over passing out
multiple tickets for loading and unloading when there are very
little spaces and long walks to and from the lots. The B lots are
always packed, and I refuse to pay extra money to park in the deck
for one or more nights.
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| Parking |
Posted by: Resident Student |
4/9/01 |
- UNCG would be a great school if it weren't for the horrible
parking or lack there of parking spaces. Parking is so expensive,
it's a rip off. I would nevre pay 300$ for a parking sticker when
you can never find a space anyway.
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| The parking problem is a scam |
Posted by: Staff |
4/9/01 |
- The UNCG parking problem could have been solved years ago if it
were simply a matter of parking, but that's not what it's about:
it's about making money by selling parking permits. It is in the
university's financial interest for there to be a parking problem,
and its effects on the students or the neighborhood are irrelevant:
it's about making money. Unless Perkins Will hires an auditor to
look at the books they are never going to know that.
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| Extra Parkin |
Posted by: Resident Student |
4/6/01 |
- Wouldn't it be simpler to add parking decks on TOP of excisting
buildings that will get renovated? They do it in NYC, if the money
is there, why not do that, instead of risking empty space that we
students enjoy having?
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Pedestrian Access
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| This Stinks (literally) |
Posted by: Commuter Student |
6/8/2001 |
- Could we PLEASE plan this asinine renovation project as if
someone on campus actually has half a brain? Because of all of this
stupid construction, students, staff, and faculty are forced to
walk through "detour paths" to get to various buildings. Most of
these paths are filled with mud puddles and, lately, the waste from
"portable bathrooms" the construction workers use. That's right. If
you walk in front of the otherwise beautiful Chancellor's house,
you can get a nice eye-full and nose-full of human waste in a
puddle near the garage. Thanks for all of the signs telling us what
places on campus are "still open", but it doesn't matter if no one
can get to them in the first place.
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Student Life
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| The campus "newspaper" |
Posted by: Resident Student |
6/8/2001 |
- "Lots of things about this movie pissed me off". That is the
first sentence I read of a movie review that was written in the
Carolinian a few months ago. Now, I think by the time I was in
ninth grade I knew better than to EVER start anything with a
sentence like the one above, much less an article in a newspaper.
Is this horrid writing representative of the entire campus or does
the newspaper only allow the worst writing to be submitted? No
wait, I know. The editors secretly hate the writers and they
purposely make all of the writers' articles look like those that
may be written by a ten year old child.
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| Residence Halls. |
Posted by: Resident Student |
5/27/2001 |
- It has become an concern around campus that the soroitys are
taking up valuable space in the Cone resident hall. My suggestion
to this is to take the ideas of most traditional schools. This
considers greek housing through campus life. The greeks would pay
room and board the same if not more then the residence in the
campus dorms. Also they would be required to have a meal plan on
campus. So this suggest that one the houses can not be off campus,
so then the rules are abided about alchol and drugs and it might
also suggest a frat court. This is where the frat houses are in one
suggested area. In just a tid bit of info, if there is a concern
about parties. I can tell you as a greek women on this campus our
national rules do not allow any alchol in the house nor does it
allow men. So that might help things. must soroities have the same
rules and would definetly abide by them unless that want to lose
their chart, which no one wants. Thanks.
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| Tell us more about the
Carolinian |
Posted by: Faculty |
5/9/01 |
- I would like to hear more about any problems the Carolinian has
had with the university administration. There are legal aid
organizations that will help student journalists who are threatened
by university officials. Perhaps the Carolinian editors need to get
in touch with these organizations. It's amazing what a telephone
call from a lawyer can do sometimes.
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| Response to the comment on The
Carolinian |
Posted by: Resident Student |
5/8/01 |
- If YOU ran a newspaper and had to completely revamp a staff
because they were all tired of crap they had to take from the
ADMINISTRATION (NOT the Carolinian Editors), I'll bet your
newspapaer wouldn't be so hot either! It doesn't help that we get
almost zero from the university and people like you. Your demeaning
comments do not encourage me.
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| Greek housing |
Posted by: Commuter Student |
5/8/01 |
- I am offended by the statement that only Greeks stand for what
the "college experience is all about." It was also mentioned that
they help out the university more than the rest of us, who are
apparently affiliated with "nothing". It is not the media that
gives you your reputation, it is this arrogant, narrow,
self-congratulatory attitudes. There are other people on campus.
There are people who can experience a sense of pride and belonging
without letters.
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| Carolinian |
Posted by: Commuter Student |
5/5/01 |
- I can tell you why the Carolinian is not better: because if it
was it would be a threat to the administration. The administration
does not want a strong newspaper, because that could expose
corruption. How do I know? Because a few years ago a friend of mine
started to look into some of the university's business practices in
order to write about it for the Carolinian, and he was hauled into
a vice chancellor's office and told to back off. Another friend
went to parking services to ask how many spaces there are versus
how many stickers they sell, and parking services refused to give
out that information. The first thing any corrupt government does
is kill off the media, and that is what happens here at UNCG.
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| carolinian |
Posted by: Staff |
5/4/01 |
- I am amazed that UNCG contiues to spend exorbitant amounts of
money on glossy, self-congratulatory publications yet CANNOT seem
to provide a decent student newpaper. My son's high school paper
makes the Carolinian look like" Run, Spot, Run". If it requires a
salaried person, pay this person, If putting together a good
newspaper demands adult supervision, relievie a faculty member of a
teaching responsibility,and find that person. Take out the fluff,
the world news, the news about Chapel Hill, the inane back and
forth about sex and the national sports scene. Wake up
Administration. Do you realize how many potential students and
parents pick up this worthless piece of paper? We're better than
the Carolinian would suggest.
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| dorms and parking |
Posted by: Campus Neighbor |
4/23/01 |
- I see a lot of improvement on academic buildings in this plan,
but not much at all that is aimed at the actual lives of the
students. I really do hope you are planning on building some actual
dorms for your campus, as well as improving parking for the
underclassmen.
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| Future Housing over parking deck |
Posted by: Campus Neighbor |
4/18/01 |
- For the Guide Plan, I would appreciate the removal of future
housing and a parking garage for students in Peabody Park. I would
prefer that Peabody Park remain unmarked in this document to
further emphasize it as a park. There is little remaining of this
area and at present we could in-fill on the South side of campus
where the towers are currently located. Thank you.
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